THE OFFICIAL QT50 THREAD!

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re: THE OFFICIAL QT50 THREAD!

Postby 84qt50 » Sun May 13, 2007 7:47 pm

u said about cleaning the exaust and port any recomendations as to how.
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Postby sloped » Sun May 13, 2007 8:41 pm

"u said about cleaning the exaust and port any recomendations as to how."

as far as the exhaust is concerned,

from xrongor

im just completely burning the carbon to ash. i put mine in the woodstove until they stopped smoking, which was over an hour on all the ones ive thrown in (3). one took two hours. you might be able to do it with a torch but id suggest a campfire to get it good and clean. when u put it back on make sure the exhaust is facing someplace where you dont mind a pile of crud lol.

after burning it, i gave it a once over with steel wool and used krylon stove black high temp rattle can on it (about 4$ a can) and its held up fine. 1 can does 2 mufflers if u careful.

keep an eye on it and if it starts actually turning red anyplace turn it over or take it out for a while so it doesnt melt/bend. i didnt have any problems but just in case...
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Postby sloped » Sun May 13, 2007 8:52 pm

good advise for converting to premix

from xrongor:

just for future reference, if you pull the stock oil pump and simply remove the plastic gear off the end (and its associated pin)you can just put the oil pump back in and its disabled as well as plugged. if you want to re-enable it just put the gear back on.


also, make sure you cap off where the oil hose meets the carb.
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Postby hypermiler » Mon Jul 21, 2008 2:40 pm

Great idea for a thread!

Do we want to start a PN cross reference (PW50/YT60)?
Upgrades?
QT50 specific jets?

I know there is info somewhere about identifying year. I can't seem to find it, perhaps someone else would have better luck and drag the link here?
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Postby xrongor » Mon Jul 21, 2008 4:57 pm

as to cleaning out the port in the cylinder, pull the cylinder. scrape it with wood or plastic so you dont scratch the metal. an old toothbrush can be filed to a chisel and works well. replace the cylinder base and head gaskets when you get done (less than 10 bucks from a yamaha dealer).

as for the yt60 swap, i did a full compare for myself when i upgraded. the only different parts you need are the piston, rings, cylinder, and head gasket. the rest are exact matches with the QT50. (base gasket, bearing, rod, pin, clips, etc..) and i think some people are still using the QT head gasket although imho its better to get the YT one. same price for both...

as for oil, 1 cc = 1 mL (mililiter) and most measuring cups have mL markings right on them. no need to convert to ounces. 300 mL will do it.

as for jets, youll just have to do plug chops. somewhere between 60 and 75 will likely be the correct size (lower altitudes require higher numbered jets). from what ive seen you should expect to go up 5 in size if you switch to a 60 from a perfectly jetted 50. but again, chops are the only way to be sure.

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Postby spankydog » Tue Jul 22, 2008 10:53 pm

I'm having a problem. I asked about this on another forum but they're not very helpful.
I've got a 81 mj50 (i know not a qt50 but very similar) that came with homemade air filter. Runs great. So, I get a proper airbox and now its running rich an 4 stroking a bit. Did my chops with an without airbox, plug looked best without. I'm assuming it was up jetted, not sure. My question is should i get a smaller or drill a few holes in the airbox. Thanks in advance!

for comedic value i'll post a pic of the very flaccid old filter
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Postby xrongor » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:59 am

unless you want really poor performance, you definitely need to drill holes in the airbox (on the side of the piece that allows the filter to still work). the stock airbox just doesnt let much air in. you didnt say, but i assume you bought a new stock filter. if not get one

you may still need to change the jet after you do this.

there is lots of posts already about drilling holes in the airbox. search the forum.

i have seen no evidence that the stock airbox/filter with holes in it performs worse, and lots that shows its the same as these valve cover filters that dont filter anything but gravel. i suggest you don't go that route.

the filter that is in that picture is useless. you were smart to dump it.

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Postby spankydog » Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:16 am

xrongor wrote:unless you want really poor performance, you definitely need to drill holes in the airbox (on the side of the piece that allows the filter to still work). the stock airbox just doesnt let much air in. you didnt say, but i assume you bought a new stock filter. if not get one

you may still need to change the jet after you do this.

there is lots of posts already about drilling holes in the airbox. search the forum.

i have seen no evidence that the stock airbox/filter with holes in it performs worse, and lots that shows its the same as these valve cover filters that dont filter anything but gravel. i suggest you don't go that route.

the filter that is in that picture is useless. you were smart to dump it.

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I just realized I forgot to say smaller "Jet" in my question. Ooops. Anyway thanks for the advice X
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Postby xrongor » Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:36 pm

yeah i figured out what you meant <g>

but it could go either way. i hesitate to recommend jet size changes in any specific direction because engines are funny sometimes. you will just have to modify the airbox, do plug chops, and see if its working or needs to go bigger or smaller. ive found once you get about 8 or so 1/2" holes, you've reached maximum gain and adding more wont matter. so shoot for that and then plug chop it.

ive also found a spade type bit makes cleaner holes than a standard drill bit, but use what you got.

good luck!

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Postby pedmister » Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:26 pm

Can anyone tell me how to adjust the "clutch"?
Mine seems to slip a lot until it is finally fully engaged, which is often after I have travel some distance.
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Postby hypermiler » Sun Sep 07, 2008 3:16 am

Replaced the piston, rings and gaskets on my QT50. Lightly honed the cylinder and put standard guts back in. The engine and trans are removed from the bike. Both front and rear wheels were siezed when it came to me and I have never heard it run. Turns out the piston was siezed also.

Is there a way to check for spark? I put the kick lever back on, on the bench and jammed it a couple of times, but haven't done a compression check. Sounds like a 50cc motor without fire.

So the question I have is this: Is there a way to provide power to the coil to bench check for spark?

Can I use a 120VAC multi adapater that puts out 6VDC @ >100mA? If so, how/where do I ground it? Ideas? I don't have an official battery for the bike yet, but I was hoping to fire it up by Tuesday.

Thanks!
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Postby xrongor » Sun Sep 07, 2008 5:25 pm

providing power to the coil will not do anything to help you test for spark. the spark system works because of transitionary wave functons not static ones.

other than the tests provided in the manual in the moped repair section of this site which will tell you if the components are good, the easiest way to test for spark is to remove the plug, lay it on the cylinder so it makes contact with the side of the plug, kick the bike over, and see if the plug sparks. if you have ANY spark, you got spark.

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Postby hypermiler » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:33 pm

That's what I thought. I'll have to delve into the manual I guess and begin checking out the components. Seems to me like it should have done something without a battery. I live in the NW and handled my share of chainsaws, I've never seen a chain saw with a battery. I thought it would self excite enough to jump a spark with a couple of kicks, but no joy.

Thanks xrongor, I'll start T-shooting stuff....
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Postby xrongor » Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:51 pm

you are correct. you do not need a battery to get it to spark or run. one of my QT's has never had a battery in it and it runs fine. the horn works, as do the headlights and tail lights. you need one to get the blinkers to blink though, and if you have a pre '83 without the voltage regulator you will probably burn your headlight out unless you have a battery installed, and charged, and the fuse doesnt blow, etc... basically if you dont have the voltage regulator i would either buy one, or use a 12v replacement for head and tail lights.

if you do not have spark, it could be as simple as a shorted wire, a broken plug wire, a bad plug boot, a broken kill switch, or a number of other things. no spark does not necessarily mean any of the main ignition components themselves are bad (coils, cdi, etc..).

in any case the manual has a decent procedure for troubleshooting spark problems. as does fred's guide in the moped repair section.

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Postby dcbarner » Mon Sep 08, 2008 9:23 am

I have a 79 yamahopper that isn't running. My guy says that I need a stator. I have no idea what he is talking about or where I can get one. I'm just getting into this hobby, any help would be greatly appreciated.

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